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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:44 pm
by asburyparkjohn
You are probably right Craig. The kite seem most stable at the FOURTH knot ALL-AROUND (i.e., LLE & ULE's). I am using the word "probably" since I only flew the kite for 3 hours. After the repair we can talk more as there is very little on the Internet with fine tuning this great kite.

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:31 pm
by kitegem
And that is exactly right. While you can adjust it more towards a conventional low wind kite, it doesn't mean you should. It's not quite what it was intended for.

I still have not even looked at the weight in the kite. It just has not been an issue. I haven't felt the need.

Perhaps if there was a problem I would. There just hasn't been any reason to.

Maybe I should try it without the weight, if I can even remember to next time? LOL!

Seriously, it's the last thing on my mind when flying this kite.


Craig wrote:
How could the previous owner keep losing the weight, is he stupid?

I still maintain the factory setting aren't worth changing from, it's a low wind competition kite and not meant to be an indoor floaty kite like the Inner Space.

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:27 pm
by asburyparkjohn
Kitegem - Hmmm ... I do find it odd that you have been flying it all along with a 14 gram Kitehouse weight in the tail. Although I can not confirm this but when the wind was at the upper end last night I did feel the 14g custom weight on my Ghost of course was not having as much of an influence as when the winds were very low. Let me ask since you are in NYC ... are you going to Liberty SP on 7/18-19 for the NJ State Championships Event sponsored by the Eastern League??? I know we met before ... EXILE-UL ... Connecticut TP ... you and me were the only one's left. Will update you. Bring the Ghost to LSP if you are attending the comp..

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:58 am
by kitegem
I'll be there.

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:53 pm
by ITBVolks
Craig wrote:
How could the previous owner keep losing the weight, is he stupid?

I still maintain the factory setting aren't worth changing from, it's a low wind competition kite and not meant to be an indoor floaty kite like the Inner Space.



First, never once mentioned the factory weight "falling" out. I simply said adding "coins" to the tail slot to add weight would result in them falling out. I changed the factory weight because the stock weight is a simple lead weight that sits in the tail and pulls the sail to one side or the other depending on installation. Not a great app IMHO so I fixed it. (so before we assume the previous owner is "stupid" lets get the facts)......

Second, I'd like to ask here, exactly how many guys are removing the weight in their Ghost,,,,,, ever???? I've never once pulled the weight and I'm pretty sure I can fly it down to nearly nothing. Ask Piero or Dave if they are pulling the weight...

Do me a favor, if your not happy about the kite/tail weight, why don't you do me the common courtsey and drop me a line regarding the issue. I'll GLADLY remove the weight I installed and replace it for you for FREE. Just ship it back to me.

WTF, is this so hard????

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:06 am
by Infinitive
ITBVolks wrote:
Second, I'd like to ask here, exactly how many guys are removing the weight in their Ghost,,,,,, ever???? I've never once pulled the weight and I'm pretty sure I can fly it down to nearly nothing. Ask Piero or Dave if they are pulling the weight...


I did, once, and it made the kite a bit shite. You might get an extra smidgen at the low end, but I'd rather that it trick easier. I'd reckon it doesn't really fly happily below 2mph, unless you are on 20ft lines, at which point flying any kite is more careful guiding than positive flying.

Chill, Winston. 8)

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:48 pm
by asburyparkjohn
ITBVOLKS - no problem on my end. In your mind you did the right thing! Now its my issue. The initial inquiry was simply to learn about the bridal system and when to add weight to this kite or just keeping the weight in the kite. This kite to me is VERY DIFFERENT than any other SUL I have seen with OTHER FACTORS to consider due to its WIDE capabilities - in my opinion after my initial flight. My feeling right now is that when the GHOST is flown in its upper range 5-10 mph the weight is a POSITIVE but below 5 mph - again in my opinion - the WEIGHT needs to be removed or a lower weight installed. Perhaps the bridle system can compensate for this factor like Kitegem indicated - last knot on the LLE's. But in my mind this was not happening for me when perfroming FADE type tricks. I am totally SATISFIED with the kite and the purchase price. NO ISSUES on my end. I can not speak for everyone else.

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:18 pm
by ITBVolks
I appologize for coming off a little heated. Not trying to direct it at anyone in particular.

Believe me, I'm not trying to pass along or hide what could be precieved as an issue with the kite. I just didn't like how the factory weight was implemented and being very particular about my gear, I made what I feel like is a proper change.

As mentioned, the factory weight is in the mail. What I installed should be an easy removal. Just take a razor blade and cut the shrink wrap off. Then, the spiral wound solder is held in place via 2x CA tacks at the start and finish of the winding. I'd simply take a thin blade screw driver and gently pry between 2 coils. Should just pop off. Unwind and add the factory weight and done. Back to stock....

Honestly, I would have mentioned it when I sold it but I had totally forgotten I had done it. Both my std and ghost were done right after I recieved them and I've never messed with either kite since. I can easily fly the std down to about 3-4mph and the ghost down to 2'ish as they are. No need for me to mess with them further.

Offers still open. If you want me to fix it back to stock, I can have it turned around in an evening. No problem on my end.

Thanks,
E.