Fractured Axel

Will S · Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:24 am

Hi,

For a discussion on another forum, a few of us un-cosmic enlightened people are trying to have a meaningful discussion of the UL and ghost.

A few questions:

Is the sail significantly lighter on the ghost?

What are each of them framed in?

What are the bridal dimensions of each?

Is the sail/frame layout exactly the same?

Is the material used on the ghost just lighter? Or any other differences between it and pc-31?

Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:52 am

The Ghost does use lighter sail material, has 5mm Structil LE's and G-Force Skinny spreaders, whereas the UL uses PC31, 6mm LE's and Icon red spreaders.

Miles F · Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:32 am

Its also worth mentioning that the wind range figures published on the Kitehouse sites are pretty conservative in that the kites all seem to fly in far less wind than the specs suggest. The UL copes very well down to 1.5-2 mph while the Ghost it seems, is in another league altogether for light wind / no wind.

Can't praise these kites too much they're just lovely to fly!

ITBVolks · Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:21 pm

The Ghost is made of what looks to be Cubin Fiber (I believe from Gossamer) which is even lighter than Icarex.

As soon as mine arrives, I'll validate the wind ranges :cool:

On another topic, are you guys across the pond seeing issues with Structil durability? My buddy's got a bag full of Benson's and some JOE Talons here with structil and unfortunately we've seen what I consider higher than normal level of failures. Any real issues or is this just a rash lately?

I've got two TC's coming and the LE's are all Structil. Little worried seeing as we can't even get it here

Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:17 pm

I've always been impressed by Structil's durability.

ITBVolks · Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:00 pm

Thanks Craig.

Being it's so widely used, I didn't think it was overly fragile. Just seems like my buddy has had a rash of failures lately. Edited

I managed to break a 6mm lower spreader connector in his Talon UL yesterday doing a lewis in very light wind. Thinking it might have started earlier. He's had 2x spines fail on the Std Talon near the center-T in a month or so.

Just figured I'd check around these parts as you guys have greater experience with them.

Also, thanks for the package shipping conf as well. A big :drinking:

for you!

Eric.

Will S · Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:53 pm

Should have looked more closely at the one I saw. Anyone4 know the weight of a length of 5mm structil? Also, If indeed it is cuben for the sail, which weight they use? Do they both have the same type of nose?

Miles F · Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:56 pm

ITBVolks wrote:
Thanks Craig.

Just seems like my buddy has had a rash lately.

Eric.

Is this the proper place for such discussion?

fworley · Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:59 pm

Hes what he needs

-Frazer

ITBVolks · Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:01 pm

Edited

Thanks guys

S4 · Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:15 am

I have 2 Cosmics that get plenty of flight time, not had a Leading edge fail fingers crossed, I've had them nearly a year. As for leading edges a few but nothing ludicrous. Piero is the only person I know of that's broken a structil leading edge on a cosmic..?

Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:18 am

Yeah, but Piero's has seen about 4 years worth of airtime in 6 months :shock:

I need to get out more

ITBVolks · Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:39 am

Ya me too

PieroS · Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:58 am

I think it was Andy Preston that said if you don't break it your not trying hard enough !

kareloh · Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:18 pm

PieroS wrote:
:lol: I think it was Andy Preston that said if you don't break it your not trying hard enough !

AMEN!

Fractured Axel

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