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trouble w/lazy suzan

Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:00 pm

while the kite is in the turtle position i attempt to do the pull to start the lazy suzan,but i always end up pulling the kite out of the sky. what am i doing wrong? am i pulling to hard or does the kite need to be in an uneven turtle? any and all advice needed. thank you!
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:04 pm

What kite and what wind range are you flying in?
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:11 pm

A couple of things to try - I am not very good at these either, but the things I find help are:

1) Try it up at the zenith and then start to work down the window.
2) Get the turtle nice and deep (nose pointing down)
3) The input is very gentle but quick and sharp helps stop tipwraps as the lines are back to slack as it turns
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Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:30 pm

Sounds like you're waiting too long for the rotation pull. Try throwing the kite on it's back (pull, push) and popping the rotation straight away(nose at lowest point).

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Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:57 pm

Or may be you pull too early...
for the turtle you need to put kite in nose-down position. It's always take time but not so long. first do some turtles and then just see how kite get in to position - it help you to see when the time for the LS input.
LS input not a hard motion - you just add and release tension on one string
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Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:15 pm

but i always end up pulling the kite out of the sky. what am i doing wrong?

Sounds Like to me you are! .....
am i pulling to hard


Pull with one hand slack with the other

Glad someone else is heavy handed just like me. :P
No offence meant but I did exactly the same thing.
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Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:00 pm

I was doing the same thing. Jerking the kite out of the air. :( Using finger straps rather than wrist straps really helped me develop a lighter touch.
Flop the kite on it's back and while both hands are still in front of you give the lightest wrist input to one wing. Keep your hands in front of you and take one step forward. Unless the wind is fast it'll amaze you how little input is needed to make a rotation. The lighter the input, the flatter the LS will be. ;)
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Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:57 pm

the problem I have with lazy susans (apart from pulling too hard) is the kite losing a lot of altitude during the rotation - any tips to avoid this?
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Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:31 pm

misterbleepy wrote:
any tips to avoid this?

Deeper Turtle - less faffing about waiting for the kite to "settle" - positive input - no mincing about. But mostly, deeper Turtle.

Lemme show you what I mean with an implausibly, offensively large video.
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Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:21 pm

nice and clear that - thanks Mike.

Now I understand why I can (sometimes) do a flapjack ok, but not a lazy susan - when I try for a flapjack the turtle is much deeper, and my lazy input is much more positive too.
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Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:03 pm

There are also the two video-tutorials from Mr. Greenway

http://sportkiteflyer.spaces.live.com/

"Rolling Susan" same thing as Snap Lazy, and "Inverse", the other way round.

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Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:41 pm

The Inverse is a difficult but very cool trick.I like it more than the Rolling!
 
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Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:21 pm

Nice video Mike, nothing wrong with the 1280x720 for 7.7Mb.
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Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:44 pm

Sub wrote:
Nice video Mike, nothing wrong with the 1280x720 for 7.7Mb.

Well... than' you ver' much </Elvis>

I notice in the clip you step forward during the rotation, does giving more slack allow for deeper turtle rotations?

Wind was about 18mph. The Sin had Wah pads on and was on its heaviest setting. Stepping forward was necessary, even towards the edge of the wind as it was. It's always good to be mobile while flying anyway. Helps enormously getting slack into the kite when needed.

I mean your kite ends with its nose virtually all the way round and down the other side. Is that entirely because you gave it a lot of slack during the rotation?

What I was trying for was Horizontal Pass -> Snap Lazy -> Climb. I still use "tricks" as turns as much as moves in their own right. Letting the kite go and stay deep means it exits the move (a bit) more positively.

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Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:03 pm

The Inverse is a difficult but very cool trick.


Might be kite dependent. There are kites where Lazies are difficult anyway. On my Transfers there is no difference between a Snaplazy and an Inverse.

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