Fractured Axel

feathers · Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:14 am

Hey all, Looking at learning the comete, have watched Randyg's video on it, but any advice on preforming this trick on a deep space would be greatly taken
Adam

Ian Newham · Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:37 pm

feathers wrote:
Hey all, Looking at learning the comete, have watched Randyg's video on it, but any advice on preforming this trick on a deep space would be greatly taken
Adam

The DS is comparatively easy to comete but to begin it only needs smallish pops for each part of the move, you can get more aggressive when you've got the hang of it.
Smaller inputs makes it easier to understand the timing IMO so this is no bad thing compared to some kites you beat the living daylights out of

Jest_of_EVE · Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:42 pm

I learned the Comete on a Gemini, which is quite a thing!

When I first flew the DS it was so much easier to comete. Like the Fury, a good kite to learn the trick on.

Just don't think about it too much, it's all about feel with that trick.

Mark

Aeri · Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:15 pm

I seem allways trying to overspin it just before the last pop...
it goes in a complete rotation, wich is quite nice to see but not a comète

to late on the last pop or...?

kareloh · Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:26 pm

Does it fall into the backflip? Then just put tension on the line a bit earlier to prevent it from falling on it's back. It's not even a pop. The next input is a firm pop to make the kite flare again.

Aeri · Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:31 pm

indeed... I'll try it out :-)

feathers · Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:30 am

Cheers Guys, out on fri (winds permitting) and hopefully sat/sun with the uni club....(yay to get looked down upon by people who fly what is essentially a small parachute) let you know if there's any success!

Stan Doff · Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:45 am

feathers wrote:
yay to get looked down upon by people who fly what is essentially a small parachute

You could try persuading them to jump out of an areoplane with them. :twisted:

Jason · Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:05 am

It might take a while mate. No disrespect but you were only learning the fade a couple of weeks ago. The comete has eluded flyers with years of experience under their belt. Just don't want you to be disappointed.

However, having said that my advice would be to learn the moves and then if it's not working just do them faster.

feathers · Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:28 am

Might take a while but i'm in no rush

my favourite looking trick, so i'll keep at it till i get it right....

You could try persuading them to jump out of an areoplane with them.

Some of them might actually be crazy enough to do it! they will jump off a 60ft sand dune...it's not really that much further.... :-P

ObijuanKenobe · Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:41 am

I would agree with Jason. One key part of understanding this trick for me was seeing it as a series of rapid half axels. You may want to start by mastering this move first.

A half axel cascade is also very related...in the sense that it is of course alternating L and R halfs. The comete is just R, R, R, R, etc. or L, L, L, L, etc...depending on rotation direction.

Just one final bit: The input which brings the kite back from the 'flare' or the 'fade' position is a very light one...NOT a pop like the main input to initiate the 'flare' or 'fade'. It is more like a lifting tug, like the second input in the half axel cascade. (See Kareloh's response.)

Yes, no disrespect here, but you are trying a very hard trick a bit out of order from the traditional trajectory. On the other hand, who says you need to learn in any particular order? Not me!

obi

(It took me about 3 weekends of fooling around with before it really started to click, and I could fly loads of other tricks fairly consistently before I dared.)

adampoll · Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:31 pm

Im in your neck of the woods on Friday, You have PM!!!

feathers · Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:04 pm

Well with adam's help i got it! can't hit them all the time, over about 12 attempts i hit it about 3 times, but i managed to do it....guess what's being practised all tomorrow when out with the power kiters!

Thanks to adam for the help and a good day......not so much thanks for the severe case of KAS (Kite Acquisition Syndrome) after flying his talon!...

sprdbryj · Mon May 12, 2008 10:14 pm

As someone still trying to comete with any sort of consistency, this is where I've got to.

I look at the comete like an egg timer shape (vs cascade as a bowtie!)

1st pop takes the kite to the top position.
2nd pop (much smaller) stops the kite in position and brings the nose down.
3rd pop (small pop) starts the rotation to the bottom position.
4th pop (bigger pop) stops the kite at the bottom.

Does that sound right?

What else can 'experienced cometers' add to help me from here?

Jest_of_EVE · Mon May 12, 2008 10:36 pm

sprdbryj wrote:
As someone still trying to comete with any sort of consistency, this is where I've got to.

I look at the comete like an egg timer shape (vs cascade as a bowtie!)

1st pop takes the kite to the top position.
2nd pop (much smaller) stops the kite in position and brings the nose down.
3rd pop (small pop) starts the rotation to the bottom position.
4th pop (bigger pop) stops the kite at the bottom.

Does that sound right?

What else can 'experienced cometers' add to help me from here?

Flail your arms around like a fat kid having a tantrum. It worked for me

Seriously, the first axel needs a little more 'time', then go nuts. Watch anyone doing a Comete and you will notice that 'Pop-Pop....Pop-Pop....Pop-Pop....Pop-Pop...." with the arms. It's very obvious when watching, but hasn't helped me learn to do clock-wise cometes...

... so, just ignore everything I've just said and thrash your arms around like a fat kid having a tantrum; sooner or later it'll make sense!

Mark (reallyusefuladvice.com)

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