thanks mark (looks for local fat kid do it and provide a laugh) funnly i can do clockwise cometes and not anticlockwise.....maybe we should have a timeshare
yeah it wasn't till adam explained it as a pop-pop...pop-pop...and showed me that i got it....going back now to try and learn the basics and work my way from there.....it has one use though, if your practising groundwork and the obligatory chavs are about laughing and making comment, a quick comete shuts them up fairly fast!