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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:36 pm 
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Noticed kites of different makes seem to have very similar sail shapes. :shock:

Especially today after flying for the first time a Vendetta, which has been lent to me by a very generous person, I couldn't help myself thinking: where do I know this kite from?

Think now there's an Italian connection: 8)
The Vendetta's form seems to be congruent with that of the Opera.
Furthermore I found the Genesis (LevelOne) has almost identical dimensions like my Mantis.

Looks like by coincident two similar designs have emerged in different parts of the world?

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convergent design, like evolution, is not unusual. Especially as no kite designer works in vacuum. It'll take a special designer to come up with something truly different.

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I know Günter Weigand, the designer of the genesis personally and he told me about his development of the kite, definitely no outward influences there.
I dont know Ken Mcneal, but I can seriously not imagine him copying anything.
What's more: These two kites fly seriously different!

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Yeah - I don't think there is anything in this at all. The Vendetta flies
nothing like the Opera - it is far more comp. oriented and heavier on
the lines. I'd wager is had proportionally more sail material too.

I've not really flown a Mantis ... but I've no doubt that its much more
precise than a Genesis ... all Ken's kites are very solid in that regard.

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fworley wrote:
Yeah - I don't think there is anything in this at all. The Vendetta flies nothing like the Opera - it is far more comp. oriented and heavier on
the lines. I'd wager is had proportionally more sail material too.


You should have seen Marco Chinni flying them at the FreeStyle world cup 8)


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Craig wrote:
You should have seen Marco Chinni flying them at the FreeStyle world cup 8)


I don't doubt that the Opera is competition capable ... just strikes me as a
touch more freestyle than comp. oriented.

The Opera is a very fine kite and yet nothing like the Vendetta.

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Looking at above signature,
got another comparison :: Tantrum vs. Jumping Jack Flash, very similar sail area again. Now they DO fly similar.

BTW I never implied anybody copying anything ... :cry:

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Original Phantom vs Northshore Radical...

...we could play this game all night :-)

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I'll raise you.. with a Liteflite Radial versus Hawaiiaiiaiian Team...
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aphelps wrote:
I'll raise you.. with a Liteflite Radial versus Hawaiiaiiaiian Team...

Peas in a pod, them two :P

Does no-one remember the Styx vs. Opium kerfuffle ?

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