krijn wrote:deca-Newton, and that is about the same as kg
Thanks Krijn, I was writing while you submitted...
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krijn wrote:deca-Newton, and that is about the same as kg
andre_e wrote:If you want very high quality lines,
get yourself Liros DC lines.
DC40 for low wind/low pulling kites,
DC60 for medium
and DC100 and up if you need to control kites with good umpf.
The comparison between the DC and stuff like climax is night and day.
Ara Ararauna wrote:
OK, thanks, although my new lines are already on their way:
Climax Profiline Leinenset 2x15m 20daN
Climax Profiline Leinenset 2x25m 38daN
Climax Profiline Leinenset 2x30m 55daN
I'm pretty sure they will be night and day with respect to my current lines anyway.
So I guess I still have a lot to learn until I get into more sophisticated lines as the Liros DC.
Thanks anyway!
andre_e wrote:If you want very high quality lines,
get yourself Liros DC lines.
DC40 for low wind/low pulling kites,
DC60 for medium
and DC100 and up if you need to control kites with good umpf.
The comparison between the DC and stuff like climax is night and day.
andre_e wrote:If you want very high quality lines,
get yourself Liros DC lines.
SteveC wrote:
Andre, out of curiosity how are the Liros lines so much better? I've found Climax lines are thin, don't stretch, take lots of wraps without binding and last for years which pretty much ticks all the boxes for me?
andre_e wrote:SteveC wrote:
Andre, out of curiosity how are the Liros lines so much better? I've found Climax lines are thin, don't stretch, take lots of wraps without binding and last for years which pretty much ticks all the boxes for me?
The Liros are thinner for the same breaking strength, they do stretch less, i can clearly feel that stretch from the climax line after having flown a liros DC. They have less creep, means they stay longer dimensional constant over time under load. They can be spliced, which for me as speed kiter is very important because it allows me to user thinner lines and also have a cleaner loop at the end.
Where the climax are better, they are slightly more slippery and they are available in thinner diameters for lower winds.
On the more esoteric front, Liros DC lines are designed to paraglider bridle specifications, while climax is pretty much fishing lines.
andre_e wrote:When the lines where equal at the begin, then that is the effect of creep, irreversible elongation of material under load. It is small, but it adds up over time.
Especially in stuff like dyneema, which keeps on creeping forever, or until the line snaps or gets thrown out for been to old.
Ara Ararauna wrote:Today I decided to measure one of my sets of lines.
I was not aware of how much lines could stretch so I was incredibly surprised!
The right line was around 8cm longer than the left!
I just couldn't believe it. I then realized that most of the tricks and hard pulls I do with my right so it has some logic behind it.
Needless to say I have been probably trying to compensate this huge difference for a long time and that must have hindered my flying...
Fortunately I have now equalized them and soon I will get my new ones.
I must check the other old set too...